Apologie des Sokrates (Platon Werke 1/2)

Apologie des Sokrates Platon Werke Sokrates ist eine singul re Erscheinung In der Geschichte der Philosophie hat niemand einen solchen Einfluss gehabt wie er Dabei war er berzeugt in den f r menschliches Leben wichtigen Fragen nichts

  • Title: Apologie des Sokrates (Platon Werke 1/2)
  • Author: Plato Ernst Heitsch
  • ISBN: 9783525304013
  • Page: 156
  • Format: cloth
  • Sokrates ist eine singul re Erscheinung In der Geschichte der Philosophie hat niemand einen solchen Einfluss gehabt wie er Dabei war er berzeugt, in den f r menschliches Leben wichtigen Fragen nichts zu wissen, und hat selbst ber seine berlegungen keine einzige Zeile geschrieben Seine Wirkung beruht allein auf den Diskussionen, in die er seine Mitb rger verwickelte,Sokrates ist eine singul re Erscheinung In der Geschichte der Philosophie hat niemand einen solchen Einfluss gehabt wie er Dabei war er berzeugt, in den f r menschliches Leben wichtigen Fragen nichts zu wissen, und hat selbst ber seine berlegungen keine einzige Zeile geschrieben Seine Wirkung beruht allein auf den Diskussionen, in die er seine Mitb rger verwickelte, um ihnen klar zu machen, dass sie nicht das t ten, was sie tun m ssten, wenn sie ein gl ckliches Leben f hren wollten Trotz seines grunds tzlichen Nichtwissens lie er sich allerdings von zwei berzeugungen leiten, die nicht erst heute paradox klingen Niemand tut freiwillig Unrecht und Unrecht tun ist schlimmer als Unrecht leiden u erlich gesehen ist er gescheitert Nach einem verlorenen Krieg wurde er Opfer konservativer Tendenzen und ist im Jahre 399 v Chr im Alter von 70 Jahren als Verderber der Jugend hingerichtet worden Damals war Platon, der sich ihm angeschlossen hatte, 28 Jahre alt Etwa 15 Jahre sp ter ist er nicht nur als Autor sokratischer Dialoge bekannt geworden, sondern hat auch als eine Art h herer Lehranstalt die Akademie gegr ndet Er beschlie t r ckschauend, von diesem Mann, der ihn fasziniert und gepr gt hat, ein Bild zu entwerfen, indem er ihm eine Verteidigungsrede in den Mund legt, die Sokrates h tte halten m ssen, wenn er die Absicht gehabt h tte, vor Gericht ein wahres Bild von sich zu geben.Dieses Buch gibt eine neue bersetzung und versucht, den etwa 2400 Jahre alten Text dem heutigen Leser durch philologische, historische und thematische Erl uterungen verst ndlich zu machen.

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    1. [Original review, Jan 11 2015]Apology of Charlie HebdoTo the Americans, who rule the world by brute military and economic force, while claiming they're doing it for our own good: fuck off.To the Russians, who pretend they're not just the same as the Americans, except militarily weaker and less honest: fuck off.To the Israelis, who take advantage of their American backers to enslave and torture the Palestinians: fuck off.To the Muslims, who react to the exploitation and torture inflicted on them [...]

    2. Double Jeopardy“Be sure that if you kill the sort of man I say I am, you will not harm me more than yourselves.”***“On the other hand, if I say that it is the greatest good for a man to discuss virtue every day, testing themselves and others — for the unexamined life is not worth living for men, you will believe me even less.”Socrates, of The Apology is an eloquent figure who is an unrivaled guide to the good life – the thoughtful life, and he is as relevant today as he was in ancien [...]

    3. Θανάτωσαν τον Σωκράτη. Θανάτωσαν το αρχαίο ελληνικό πνεύμα. «Γιατί το να φοβάται κανείς το θάνατο, ω άνδρες Αθηναίοι, δεν σημαίνει τίποτε άλλο ή το ότι νομίζει πως είναι σοφός ενώ δεν είναι. Σημαίνει δηλαδή πως νομίζει ότι ξεύρει πράγματα που δεν ξεύρει. Γιατί τι είναι θάνατ [...]

    4. “Socrates is guilty of busying himself with research into what’s beneath the earth and in the heaven and making the weaker argument the stronger and teaching the same things to others”So Socrates is guilty of expanding his mind and teaching his discoveries to his students. Such a terrible man isn’t he, to try to learn more about the world and the existence of mankind? Is this cause of execution, free thinking and questioning the doctrines fed to us? Plato himself was next to be accused; [...]

    5. Μια περίεργη λύπη σε πιάνει όταν διαβάζεις την συγκεκριμένη απολογία για το πόσο άδικος (η λέξη μπορεί να αντικατασταθεί με άλλες λιγότερο κόσμιες) είναι τελικά ο κόσμος. (Από τότε δεν ξέραμε να ψηφίζουμε)

    6. Αν έκανα κάποια φράση αντιγραφή-επικόλληση από το βιβλίο, θα έπρεπε να το αντιγράψω ολόκληρο.Καταπληκτικό.

    7. Bir kere daha anladım ki yalan, iftira insanoğlunun mayasında var. Milattan önceki yıllarda dahi bilge insanlar otoriteler tarafından tehdit olarak görülüyordu. Sokrates’in hazin öyküsünü, kitabı okumadan önce de biliyordum ama savunmasını okuyunca çok etkilendim ve üzüldüm. Bu arada kitabın oldukça uzun bir girişi var( yaklaşık 40 sayfa), savunmayı okumadan önce Sokratesin felsefesi hakkında kısaca bilgi sahibi olmamızı sağlıyor. Sokrates’in çok doğru bul [...]

    8. Celebrity Death Match Special: Plato versus Isaac Asimov, part 4 (continued from here)[A spaceship en route from Trantor to Earth. SOCRATES and R. DANEEL OLIVAW]SOCRATES: Hadn't we already said goodbye?OLIVAW: Forgive me, Socrates. I had forgotten that you were going back to a death sentenceCRATES: It is easy to forget such details. OLIVAW: I am truly sorry, Socrates. Indeed, I am surprised that my First Law module permitted me to do it. But you are just so so SOCRATES: Irritating?OLIVAW: In all [...]

    9. This little ‘book’, a mere conversation actually, is the source of so many excellent quotes as to be indispensable to our Western heritage. I was reading a few to my dear husband the other night and he wanted me to send them to him. Sadly, we—as a society—want to expunge this type of literature from our children’s education because it was written by ‘dead white men’.Oh foolish people! But then, that is also what Socrates died for—men’s fear of the Truth. It was the same back in [...]

    10. This is one of the best works of philosophy or literature ever written. It is Plato's version of Socrates's defense at his trial. The word "apology" here means defense. Socrates is on trial for his life for blasphemy and for corrupting the youth of Athens. He very easily leads his primary accuser, Meletus, into contradictions. And he tries to explain to the jury and to the spectators how it is that he gained a reputation as a wise man among some, and a villain among others. One of Socrates's adm [...]

    11. رساله ی دفاعیه ی سقراط در برابر دادگاه آتن که او را به اتهام "آوردن خدایان جدید" و "گمراه کردن جوانان" به محکمه کشیده بودند. بعضی از قسمت های دفاعیه عالی است.دادگاه با اکثریت 60 به 40 سقراط را مخیر کرد که مجازات مرگ را بپذیرد یا جریمه ی مالی بپردازد. افلاطون که گویا ثروتمند بوده، به [...]

    12. Δεν μπορω να γραψω μια κλασσικη κριτικη για αυτο το βιβλιο,δεν ειναι δυνατον καποιος να το κανει αυτο.Εκεινο που μπορω να κανω ειναι να μιλησω για τις σκεψεις μου πανω σην υπεροχη Απολογια του Σωκρατη.Ο Σωκρατης ηταν ενας ρακενδυτος φιλοσοφος που γυρνουσε εδω και εκει μιλων [...]

    13. Not even your Socratic arguing could save you. Such a pity that we still haven't changed, not in all of these thousands of years. Even though he knew he was doomed, he still did not submit and whimper like a coward, begging for mercy. When you are outside the grasp of power, no matter how well you try to persuade those to look into the right direction, if they, for their own gains are against it, you're screwed. I don't know if I could do the same, be presented with life (even thought I'd be nea [...]

    14. ** Batı düşünce hayatının mihenk taşlarından biri kabul edilen Sokrates, ömrü boyunca hiç kitap yazmamış(!), hayattayken de diyaloglarının/tartışmalarının/derslerinin hiçbirinin yazılmasına izin vermemiş. Bu nedenle Sokrates'in günümüze kadar gelmiş herhangi bir eseri mevcut değildir. Ölümünden sonra dünyaya kitap yerine, kendisini sevip saymış ve anlamış bir insanı, Platon'u, bırakıp gitmiş Sokrates. Vefalı öğrenci Platon, hocasının kendisine duyduğ [...]

    15. Η Αθηναϊκή Δημοκρατία καταδικάζει τον Σωκράτη, έναν ἄνδρα σοφόνσε θάνατο και αυτό θα το πληρώσει σε υπόληψη και σε φήμη όπως λέει και ο ίδιος (οὐ πολλοῦ γ᾽ ἕνεκα χρόνου, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, ὄνομα ἕξετε καί αἰτίαν ὑπὀ τῶν βουλομένων τήν πόλιν λοιδορεῖν ὡς Σωκράτη ἀπε [...]

    16. This is Plato’s account of his mentor, Socrates, as he met his accusers in Athenian court to defend himself against charges of blasphemy and corrupting the young. Socrates makes short work of the weak arguments made by his chief accuser, Meletus, through logical deconstruction. What’s interesting is that the defence isn’t really of Socrates against his charges but of his life and philosophy, which is basically what the trial is really about.His latest troubles began when the Oracle at Delp [...]

    17. Plato and I are not buddies. I find him interesting, but also think of him as a lunatic grandpa with unrealistic views of the world. Therefore, he is not my favourite old Greek man to read, but this is his best. This is Socrates “apology” for what he did. Basically, Socrates invented philosophy, and then he was killed for it. I mean, they did not just kill him like they did Hypathia, he had a “proper trial” and all. Please, read the entire work instead of the short snippet, reading it in [...]

    18. Perhaps the most famous of the Socratic dialogues, theApology(in the sense ofapologiaor defense before a tribunal) presents Socrates (469-399 BCE) as he defends himself against charges that he corrupted the youth of Athens and did not honor the proper gods. It is probably not a spoiler to say that Socrates was convicted and condemned to death. Subsequently, many of Socrates' pupils wrote their versions of the events and of the words spoken, though most have been lost. TheApologyis a recounting t [...]

    19. ΑΡΙΣΤΟΥΡΓΗΜΑΈνα από τα πιο έξυπνα και πιο καλογραμμένα βιβλία που έχω διαβάσει ποτε Είχα μια ιδέα για το περιεχόμενο του βιβλίου αφού διδασκεται στη 3ή λυκείου πιστεύω όμως οτι δεν του δίνεται η προσοχή που του αξίζει,πρέπει να διαβαστεί όλη η απολογία για να καταλάβει ο αν [...]

    20. "Ölümden sakınmak o kadar zor değildir, zor olan kötülükten sakınmaktır, çünkü kötülük ölümden daha hızlı koşar. Yaşlı ve ağır olan ben, ağır hareket eden ölüme yenildim, hızlı ve kötü olan suçlayıcılarım ise daha hızlı olan kötülüğe yenildiler. Şimdi ben, sizler tarafından ölüme mahkum edilerek buradan ayrılırken onlar doğruluk tarafından fesatlık ve haksızlığa mahkum edilerek buradan ayrılıyorlar.""Artık ayrılma vakti geldi çattı, ben [...]

    21. 'Do not be upset when I tell you the truth! No human can start an honest fight with you or any other public assembly, nobody can try to stop chrimes and unlawful doings without failing and going under. No, if anyone really should stride for what is right and keep life going for atleast a short period of time, then he must do it as himself , and not as a public speaker.'– Sokrates (Quote translated personally from Swedish vers.) This is Platos notes from what Sokrates was saying when he defende [...]

    22. Bugün sabah aklımda bu kitabı okumam gerektiği duygusu ve nasıl desem, amacıyla uyandım. Bu güdüyü takip ederek kendimi bir odaya kapattım ve saat sabah 8'den bu yana neredeyse soluksuz bir şekilde okuyup bitirdim kitabı. Böyle dolu ve üzerinde düşünülmesi , zaman sarfedilmesi gereken bir kitabı hızlıca okumak ne kadar doğru bilmiyorum ama suç bende değil , gerçekten tüm diyalogları ve içerdikleriyle beni kendine esir etti kitap. Genel olarak konusundan bahsetmek ger [...]

    23. "Ölümden sakınmak o kadar zor değildir, zor olan kötülükten sakınmaktır, çünkü kötülük ölümden daha hızlı koşar.""Herhangi bir alanda onların anladığı şekilde bilge ve onların anladığı şekilde cahil olmaktan kaçınmalı mıydım, yoksa onlar gibi (kendini bilge sanan bir cahil) mi olmalıydım? Hem kendime, hem de kehanete, "olduğum gibi kalmak daha iyidir" yanıtını verdim."

    24. آپولوژی/دفاغیه رو البته واضحه که بیونانی نخوندم و ترجمه‌ش بانگلیسی رو خوندم در نتیجه معنی نداره در مورد نثرش حرفی بزنم. بنظرم برای فلسفه‌نخوندها هم جالبه. حرفهایی که فلاطون تو دهن سقراط گذاشته بعضا خیلی تامل‌برانگیز و احیانا بامزه‌ ند و دیالوگ سرگرم‌کننده و پویاست. چیزی ک [...]

    25. Ho sempre creduto di non essere una persona filosofica, che i filosofi fossero solo gente che non aveva altro da fare che interrogarsi se ci sono o meno e se io non sono allora cosa sono?Insomma, per farla breve quando ero più ragazzina pensavo che certa gente non aveva nulla da fare e che i filosofi fossero tutti figli di papà. Adesso, sarà forse per colpa dell'età che avanza o forse per quel briciolo di saggezza che si sta infondendo anche in me, ritengo che certe letture siano dei veri e [...]

    26. It's been a while since I read this. In fact, I wonder if I really ever did read it. Nonetheless, what struck me in this reading were parallels to the New Testament. Both Jesus and Socrates probed by asking questions, both ruffled the establish, both exposed dearly held pretentiousness, both were condemned by their countrymen.Even certain phrases in Apology are reflected in the NT (though it could be an accident of translation): "to die is gain", "I shall obey God rather than you", "[do not] tak [...]

    27. In defense of philosophy1 September 2012 These days when we think of the word apology we usually connect it with us saying sorry for something that we have done wrong, however that is not necessarily the origin of the word. Christianity has a field of study known as apologetics, and once again, this is not necessarily saying sorry for the many evils deeds that have been committed under the name of Christianity but rather putting up a defense against attacks that are generally levelled against th [...]

    28. Pero no es difícil, atenienses, evitar la muerte, es mucho más difícil evitar la maldad; en efecto, corre más deprisa que la muerte.Primera vez que leo directamente a Platón (debería haberlo hecho antes) y me quedé con una muy buena impresión. Una cosa es que te lo comenten y otra muy distinta es estar cara a cara, si eso es posible. El texto "reproduce" la defensa de Sócrates en un tribunal de justicia, antes de la sentencia que se le daría por una triple acusación. El discurso me at [...]

    29. Δεν έχω τα προσόντα και το θράσος να κρίνω τον Πλάτωνα,απλά θα γράψω ότι "το να έχεις την αισθητική του αρχαίου Ελληνα είναι τόσο σπάνιο,όσο το να είσαι μεγαλοφυία".Αφιερωμένο με αγάπη σε όσους υποτιμούν την κλασική παιδεία.

    30. "The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our ways - I today, and you to live. Which is better God only knows."

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